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you do it. i think it's your best book yet. >> appreciate that, buddy. >> will you come out of your bunker one day? >> sure. i'll be here two or three years from now. >> that's all the time we have left. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta is next. see you tomorrow night. this is a fox news alert. right now a portion of the white house is on lock down. the secret service tells fox news that tonight one and possibly two smoke bombs have been thrown over the white house fence. they are on lock down inside the white house. kelly, what is happening? >> hey, greta, it's sort of a partial lock down. i think you mentioned in your intro. it's really the north lawn ever the white house which is the standard protocol when you have protestorsers outside the white house. there are about a thousand or so protestorsers out there. there are the occupy d.c.
protesters that everyone is familiar with. this is the first time i've seen them get so close and do what they did tonight works i is throw two devices over the fence. right now there are secret service robots inspecting the area and see if they are of any concern. it should be noted the president and the first lady went out tonight actually. first lady's 40th birth day was today. they went out and went out safely the south lawn and then they came back in the same way just moments ago. we are still on lock down for the north part of the launch they came back the south lawn safely. those with the right access could leave. press has to go through the north and we can't do that right now because that's where the devices are. right now the secret service is checking it out. working with police and the secret service to make sure everyone is safe. >> the devices have the attention of the secret service the protestorsers out there? >> they are. there were about a thousand when they started but it's now been
whittled down to maybe 500. i have to be honest i'm in the basement so i'm not even allowed to actually see out there. but from the agent i was speaking with here on site, he said a lot had disbursed. they disbursed almost immediately after they throw the smoke bombs. it's hard for the police. the police said no arrests have been made -- sorry, the secret service said no arrests have been made. it's hard to do that because they can't tell who sent it. >> any further niece we will be back to you. thank you. >> thanks. >> and the captain of the recked cruise ship is on house arrest. and there's chilling recordings from the night of the crash. demanding the captain return to his sinking ship. >> back on the ship and tell me how many people there are and what they have on board. clear. tell me if there are women, children, and what kind of help they need. >> you hear more of the disturbing recordings in a few minutes and there's no grim news tonight, the death toll is rising. searchers find five more bodies
in the wreckage. the death toll is now 11 but it's feared it will be more. dozens are still missing. all the new developments in the cruise ship disaster. plus 100 years after the titanic with all the technology out there, how could such a tragedy possibly happen? don't go away, you are about to get an inside look at the technology designed to prevent it. but right any surviving the disaster. a mission couple is back home after surviving the shipwreck off the tuscan coast. the. katherine and stephen were on a dream ship. another shot video as they reached the island. >> kathy, kathy! >> kathy! steve! steve! kathy! >> katheryn and steven ledke join us from detroit.
good evening. boy, i bet you are feeling pretty lucky tonight back home? i take it you are. >> very lucky. >> happy to be here. >> yep. >> indeed. we are happy to have you. i'm curious, take us back to what happened, where were you when you first noticed that there was a problem? >> we had been on the trip and had been going on for about three hours. we were sitting down for dinner late in the evening, about 9:30. we got to meet a couple, two couples around our table. all of a sudden we heard a thud and felt a thud. seems like within seconds everything was tilting to the port or left side of the boat. the glasses were coming off the tables and dishes were flying and people were getting up and slipping from the wet floors. all of a sudden i was being -- the tables were all going to the left side and kathy was trying to get some of the elderly to
stairs where they could get some foot to go stand on. after within a minute, a couple minutes time of this we were suddenly in darkness. >> kathy, did you -- what was your thought as to what was happening? as we look at these pictures it's quite dramatic. the ship was on its side. did it immediately go to its side or did it take some period of time to lift over to that position? >> you could feel it almost immediately, a lifting. and what was going through my head is find my husband, make sure he's okay and then get the heck to a lifeboat. >> all right. >> we knew there was a problem immediately. >> kathy, as soon as it happened and you made the recognition or the acknowledgment, did you then immediately go to your cabin and get your jackets or go to your life boats? tell me what you did. >> we absolutely -- it never occurred to either one of us to go to our cabin. we needly -- well, after it was dark and after i was, like steve
said, i was helping those people get to the rail, then we heard our friends. we became fast friends with the other people we met at our table. between the four of us we said let's get to the life boat right now. so by the grace of god it was right outside our door where we were eating and we just stayed right there. we grabbed a life jacket which happened to be there, and we just stayed right there. i mean, several things in retrospect, i don't think -- we had just bored the ship three hours prior. i don't think that we even would have known where our room was or our cabin was and certainly not in the dark. it would have been risky to do that. it would have been a lot easier if we had our money and charge cards and, you know, our wallets and such, keys. a lot of things that we left in the room. but we were safe. >> steve, i understand that after a period of time, a short time after the collision, that the power went out. i'm curious to what extent there
was any sort of hysteria among other passengers, whether the crew got on a loudspeaker and said man the life boats or put any sort of order into this? >> certainly a panic in the darkness and all of a sudden within minutes we have a tilted boat and darkness. when -- the lights came back on and when the lights came back on the announcement was overhead that it's an electric problem and not to worry. another note, message was that they suggest you proceed to the theatre or to go to your rooms. our two couples thought it was not wise to do that. we went directly to the life boats. >> in making it to shore i understand that some of your family heard that tape. that was how they knew you were alive, they heard the kathy and the steve tape. at least that's what i've heard. is that correct?
>> that's correct, yep. >> so you make it to shore. and you have no clothes other than what is on your back, you have no passport or no money. what did you do next? >> we tried to find a place. >> shelter. >> shelter. everybody was standing in a daze. thousands of people. it was not any assistance. some people were going into a church for shelter. it wasn't heated but it was a little warmer than out in the open. >> we found our way to the church. >> as i look at these pictures, it's hard to think of the word lucky in referring to you, but in light of the fact that some have lost lives, boy, you are lucky, aren't you? >> yes, we are. >> very much. very much so. >> is this the last cruise you will be taking? >> i don't think so. maybe not with this company, but we've always enjoyed cruises. >> yep. >> well, glad you are safe.
it's terrible what has happened to the others and, of course, the investigation goes forward. there's all sorts of stories circulating tonight whether the captain abandoned ship and left everybody to fend for himself or herself. thank you and welcome home. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> now on the record investigates the costa concordia disaster. we are taking a minute by minute look what happened off the coast of italy. >> 7:00 p.m. friday night the coast of costa concordia set sail from roam. it was to be a beautiful cruise for thousands. 8:30:00 p.m. many are having dinner in the restaurants and others are in their cabins. 8:35:00 p.m.. the cruise ship near the island, part of a maritime nature reserve. 9:30:00 p.m., two and a half hours after setting sail, the
ship vikes rocks off the coast of the island. gigleo. the collision with rocks knocks glasses and plates off the tables. five minutes later, 9:35:00 p.m., the electricity goes off. that is when passengers begin to panic. >> it's not happening. it's not happening. >> 9:45:00 p.m.. the first alarm is sounded. 9:50 the ship begins to lift. >> the ship started to have a tilt. everything was falling on the floor. the tables started to fly and that's when everyone jumped up and panicked. >> 10:00, some began gathering on the fourth deck with the life boats are located. meantime the captain tries to steer the ship closer to shore. 10:10:00 p.m., the apan done ship natural is given. the crew starts deploying the life boats but there are big problems with the life potatoes.
>> once we realized these vessels aren't going into the water, we all had to jump 10 to 20 feet. people were falling and several people broke their arms. there was blood all over the deck from people cracking their heads. it was just a nightmare. >> 10:20:00 p.m., the italian coast guard launches rescue praying was the help of speed boats and helicopterters. residents of the island turn out in force to bring passengers to shore. many passengers jump into the chilly parties. >> we didn't need to stay on it was sinking so fast. that's when about 100, 150 people started swimming. >> 11:15:00 p.m. the first lifeboat reaches the island. in all about 4,000 passengers and crew make it to safety on the life boats. 11:40, the captain is reportedly found ashore. meanwhile the search and rescue operation continues. 1:30:00 a.m. saturday, three
bodies are recovered. they are later identified as two french tourists and a peruvian crew man. 6:00 a.m. fire officials say they rescued what they thought was the last survivor from the ship. and then sunday, 12:15:00 a.m., rescuers find two more people aboard the ship. 12:58, those two people, south korean honeymooners, are rescued from their cabin. 7:00 sunday a voice is heard coming from the third deck. it's the ship's safety officer. a helicopter rescued the officer. on monday the death toll rises to six when rescuers find the body of a male passenger wearing a life vest. in developments today searchers find five new bodies in the ship. that brings the current death toll to 11. still missing, a couple from minnesota. plus newsed to an italian judge
places the ship's captain under house arrest. and just released, stunning back box recordings from that night. >> get back on the ship and tell me how many people there are and what they have on board. are you refusing? >> no, no, i'm not refusing. >> get going. there are already corpses, move! >> how many dead are there? >> i don't know. one i heard of. you need to be telling me this. >> right. >> the images of the sinking cruise ship of reminiscent of the titanic but 100 years later with all the giant advance necessary technology, how could this possibly happen? we go to a florida school with captains and crewmembers train on high-tech similar laytors. >> okay. this is our 360-degree simulator. we have the 360-degree visuals from the bridge itself. >> this is an enormous room.
>> the projecttors are mounted 30 feet from the screens. okay, in this exercise we are going to make a port approach to the port in italy. we have our full bridge team up here ready to go. the captain, and staff captain snow, let's get underway. >> we can see clearly it looks like we are on a ship approaching. tell me what some of these things are doing here? >> what you are seeing is a full integrated bridge system as you find on all modern cruise ships now. each piece of equipment has a given function and does a specific purpose and there's redundancy built into it. on the left-hand side here we have an automatic radar plotting aid. that's in lay man's terms a collision avoiding system. the captain is monitoring that now for actual distance in realtime to the break water and the entrance to the port. this also can give us our closest point of approach on navigation natural hazards as well. it feeds information to the
watcher to make critical decisions on how to navigate. >> on this ship we are on, similar to the costa concordia but smaller? >> similar in design but a little smaller in size. >> obviously with the training there's years of learning, what the swing of the boat is. but in close to shore, clearly a rock, in the case of the costa concordia caused a problem. are you able to monitor things that could be on the bottom? >> absolutely. we do that through our depth gauge and our meter that tells us the actual depth of water underneath the keel right now. right now we have 12.4 meters. that's good. as we see that decrease, we can set an alarm to warn us as the depth of the water gets less than what we want it to be or within a critical area that obviously we want to pay attention to. there are several other features
that we can set to give us warnings when we approach a navigation natural hazard. one is proximity in terms of distance. we can set that with a chart display and information system or on the radar. so when something crosses into a known area, it will give us a warning. or when we get too close to it we can monitor that. the other thing is certain features on navigation natural charts, obvious hazards, warn us when we get to proximity to them on the electronic chart information system. so if we were approaching a navigation natural hazard that's been set into the information system, that will give us a warning. it will give us a warning so that the operator or the captain or the person noise there is -- knows there's a hazard to navigate around. >> we are on a nice day with no environmentals, and now we are going to give them a challenge
with some environmentals we can throw in to increase the risks to the operation. in this particular case we can see the rain. the wind has picked up quite a bit, and it looks like we have a squall coming in. the ship is being pushed against the rock. captain is doing everything he can to thrust the ship off. turn. 10 meters off we can see the vessel start to rock. and -- >> we are hitting a rock now? >> we are hitting a rock right now. the captain and crew -- >> check us for grounding. >> now we've hit rock. now they are in a more stressful situation. they have pulled out their operational stress list to manage the situation. in this checklist they are going through the international maritime what to do. >> this is the standard that's made for grounding and stranding by the international chamber of shipping in their bridge procedures guide.
we use this in our training as a very standard checklist. a checklist for individual ships would be adapted based upon the specific equipment that's going on. right now, again, there would be many more people who were involved. the captain is managing the crisis with the additional resources of the entire vessel to help him manage the situation. >> captain, what our viewers are seeing now is very similar perhaps to what happened inside the bridge when things began to go wrong. >> the same steps from a procedural standpoint would normally be taken in a crisis such as this. on this particular type of vessel, being a passenger vessel, we have the additional function of mustering the crew and passengers and accounting for them and preparing them should we need to abandon ship. >> straight ahead, if you thought former speaker newt gingrich was putting the squeeze
on governor romney, that was nothing. now he's turning the heat on president obama. what is he saying about president obama? find out. congressman allen wes is here to talk about that hot controversy. that's next. also wisconsin governor scott walker has big, big trouble tonight. something that weighs 1.5 tons was just delivered to the capital and it spells big political trouble. he could get run out of office with this one. what is it? you will hear directly from wisconsin governor scott walker. plus what is getting donald trump so riled up? we will let donald tell you himself. and on the record is monitoring breaking news right now. a portion of the white house is on lock down. secret service tells us one and possibly two smoke bombs were thrown over a fence by protesters. if thehe
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way. speaker gingrich was talking about black employment. is he right or wrong or be divided along those lines? >> you are absolutely right. the facts speaks for themselves. the national average of unemployment is 8.5%. in the black community is 15.8%, down from 17%. for black adult males it's 16.4% unemployment and black teachers, 16-19 years of age is 40.7%. as a matter of fact the chairman of black caucus said if anyone else was in the white house than president obama we would be marching on the white house. we have a greater problem when we believe certain people can talk only about the issues. >> greta: you measured, 15.89%, january 2009 when he took office it was 12.6%.
so it's a rise of 2.2%. i'm curious, what could he be doing divlt to address the high unemployment rate? >> i think you need to look what you need to be doing differently. with the right type of tax policies, those policies that can incentivise growth is. regulatory policies to be able to help businesses. look at dodd-frank and a lot of small banks are not able to lend the proper money to start up a small business, which i'm here down in my district. then there are several other things you can look at. how we can incentivise other people to look at black businesses and with lower capital gains, taxes and dividend returns. i think it was pretty offensive when the president took up
presidential black coalition and take off their bedroom slippers and put on their marching boots. i think about 90% of them voted. >> greta: 97% of them voted them and what they come out and vote for a governor ramirez or senator season or governor perry? if he does nothing he is going to get that vote? you don't think that is true? >> i would disagree because there was poll that came out, the "washington post" last september that said that the strongly approved number in the black community was once 83%. it dropped down to 58%. as a matter of fact next week monday we're going foof black conservative forum in the capital. i think now is the time to start looking at the difference between who we are as conservatives and what the liberal social welfare policies have done for the blam
communities. we as conservatives believe that every child in america or any person coming to america gets a ladder. with that ladder they can climb to any heights of achievement. we believe there should be a safety net. because you are going to slip off and you need to bounce back up. we are seeing a sense a did he pendency. >> i did law for a number of years. think were number of people that president obama would be an inspiration for someone in the african-american community who really have been down and not having a chance. is it unfair to expect him to be inspiration number one? and has he provided an inspiration when he was running? >> i think that rhetoric is different from providing inspirational leadership. i've seen in military leader can
talk a good game but if i can talk you need to be able to walk the walk. we've seen 41% increase in food stamp recipients and 16% increase on the america's poverty rolls, 6.4 million americans, that is a failure. i think that is something where the president has to sit back and look at his policies. i think everyone has a right speaker gingrich or yourself to say there is something wrong. you look across washington, d.c. at some these inner city communities. we shouldn't have these things happening within eye shot of the white house. >> greta: congressman, nice to see you. coming up. scott walker, he is fighting to hold on to his job. what happened to the governor? governor scott walker goes on the record. that is next. and donald trump sends a warning to the gop candidates and donald is not happy. hear what donald trump has to say coming up. this is an rc robotic claw.
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it would be the first recall election of a governor in wisconsin history and only the third time in u.s. history. he was thrust into the national storm when he took on state unions. so can he survive a recall vote? governor scott walker joins us. good evening, sir. >> greta, good to be with you. >> i guess it's not such a rude awakening. you saw this one coming. it wasn't just this afternoon when the petitions were delivered. >> no. i said months ago that i thought this effort led by the operatives and the state democratic party and also really funded ultimately by the national big government unions were going to be pushing for this long ago. we said from early on we thought with the activists, they had get enough signatures. but in the end we earned the trust of the majority of citizens in our state back in the fall of 2008. i believe we kept our promises and did what we said we were going to do. we reformed our government, did it without raising taxes and i think we earn the trust again of the majority coming 2012. >> the democrats or those who want you out of office, they got
more numbers than they needed. they got about the same number of people signing petition the, assuming they are good signatures, as voted you into office. i thought that was another shot across the bow? >> but it's one of those if you look at the numbers they got about as many atom barrett, who lost the last election did, but more importantly the same group fought me in the fall of 2010. national liberal activists groups and the big government unions from washington, they have been fighting our reforms all along. for the end it's all about the money. they want to force public employees, public servants in our state to seen up for unions because they want the money. they would sell them out for just about anything else. we balanced our budget without raising taxes and in the end i think it will be a real choice. do we go back to the days of billion dollars budget deficits and job losses and double-digit tax increases or do we move forward and i think a majority of the people in wisconsin still want us to move forward. >> what is the state unemployment number in wisconsin
compared to the national level? >> 7.3%. it was 7.6% the same time a year ago. well lower than the national level. and another interesting comparison. the pro opponents of they recall advocate the same policies we had in the past when we lost 150,000 jobs before i took office, it's the same polls we see on display right now in illinois and they have a 10% unemployment rate. i think there is a stark contrast when voters look at the choice and realize it's not just up or down on these reforms, it's about a better choice than places like illinois have made in the past year. i think they will ultimately stand with us and ask us to continue to lead this great state. >> it's sort of interesting, wisconsin is always interesting politics and i have a particular fondness for watching wisconsin politics but this is a divide in eye -- ideology. there are positions on both sides of the isle that are pouring money and enthusiasm into this and will this set a
stage for something bigger? am i wrong. >> i think no doubt about it. it affects the 2012 election but more importantly, the dynamics for the future. if we take on state house by state house and congress, we have to make sure our kids don't inherit the problems we have in the first place, whether in wisconsin or the nation. we have to have leaders that by more about the next generation that the election. that's this is about. we chose to think about our kids and grandkids, not just our political futures and i hope enough people will say hang tough you are doing the right thing. >> i read this will cost taxpayers about $9 million in the state which is sort of interesting, although i suppose there are jobs created with that as well. and this likely will occur this summer and you will likely have some opposition, right? any within your own party? >> no, not at all. i think there's almost unanimous support amongst or party and i think amongst disdiscerning, the
democrats that don't want to see $9 million spent or endless campaigns but that's what we have thanks to the big money coming in from washington and the unions. we will have people join us in that cause. >> governor, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> nice to see you too. >> donald trump has words of warning to the republican candidates. he is telling them what they have to do or stop doing if they want to defeat president obama. here is donald trump. >> the republican candidates are getting very, very nasty with one another. it's got to stop. they are playing right into obama's hands. let them fight, let them go out and campaign, let them do whatever they have to do, but the fact is the things that are being said are bad and they are wrong. they have got to at least get along a little bit. keep it civil. >> and donald trump will be right here to go on the record tomorrow night. you do not want to miss it. tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern. and coming up iran just got more
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is back the europeans off from their consideration against the importation of iranian oil. what they are threatening basically is the weakest economies in europe, greece, italy and spain that are the biggest i am pourters of iranian oil. it would obviously cripple those countries even more than their current economic state. >> if you take it one step further, wouldn't the saudis pick up the slack if the european countries weren't getting the oil from iran? wouldn't the saudis pick it up? they aren't friends were the iranians, they are bitter enemies. is there really a threat to europe by iran? >> two points there. one, that is certainly the claim made particularly by the obama administration, which believes it's own propaganda about these sanctions. but the publicly-available information indicates that that gap could only be made up for
about one month. and second, today, just to complete the cycle, the iranians threatened the saudis too if they try to increase production. that's part of the broader struggle within islam between the shia and the sunni and in the middle east between iran and the arab states. all of this heats the controversy you. that's good for iran, too. it raises the price of oil internationalally, provides more revenue and shows the kind of economic impact that a crisis over oilcan have. >> in terms of the sanctions, though, we oftentimes get -- we certainly get distracted by the international community. and i'm always curious about how effective they are. and we also have a quibble over sanctions work or don't work, whether it's economic suicide or not, whether someone picks up the gap or not. meanwhile iran is moving forward with its nuclear weapon program. even if there are sanctions, they have enough other buddies in the world to pick up the slack so if europe isn't buying
it from them, somebody else is going to be. >> that's the key point. the propaganda is the value of the iranian currency is going down, the sax are having an impact, and i don't doubt the sanctions are having an impact on iran but not enough to slow down or certainly not to stop the nuclear weapons program. look at north korea, the most heavily sanctioned country on earth, population perennially near starvation and they have nuclear devices. i would love to bring regime to iran down but have no illusionings it is slowing down their nuclear weapons program. >> iran is the second largest producer of oil, opec producer of oil and yet they have so much oil they are sitting on you have to wonder how much they need to terms of nuclear power, and why are they enriching, is it for
peaceful purposes or not peaceful. i guess there's an argument it might be an alternative energy source but they certainly don't need it as much as some might think. >> if you look at their conduct over the last ten years there are any number of things they are doing that are only consistent with a nuclear weapons purpose. forming you're rainiam into hemispheres, hollow hemispheres to form the pit of the nuclear power. when i was in the government i asked the energy department are they running out of their natural oil like they claim and they analyzed production and consumption and said in fact iran is running out of its oil and natural gas. with hits present rates of exsports and consumption it will run out in 350 or 400 years. >> then they certainly don't need to worry. where does all this lead us? where are we on all of this whole iranian mess? >> i think iran continues to make very steady progress toward
getting a nuclear weapon. the defense secretary pennetta said last month they could do it within a year. they could do it well within that. i think 20 is it 112 could be dispositive on this issue. israel has to make a hard decision to use military force again the program. our chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs is in israel now carrying out the obama administration's policy pressuring israel not to use military force. we could learn the answer to this question one way or the other by our election. >> ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> straight ahead, we know which presidential candidate governor chris christie is supporting but now there is another sought-of a new jersey endorsement. no, it's not mrs. christie. but you know this person and this will catch you off guard. start guessing. also a ban on barbie. who would want to get rid of barbie? and pop star beyoncé gets a special gift but it has nothing to do if there was a pill
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